2026-02-17 07:19:35 lisbeths: it's certainly true that if you've careful in how you write your earlier code you can often arrange things so that swap, rot, and other such "stack juggles." DUP and OVER, though, are a little different - in those cases you've prroduced a number but for whatever reason need two copies of it. 2026-02-17 07:27:13 I think stackc juggling comes up more often when you are seeking to re-use words you wrote for some other purpose. They don't "go together" the right way in the new application to leave the stack perfectly laid out, so it has to be adjusted to glue them together. 2026-02-17 07:27:27 In those cases where you do need the juggling words, I mean. 2026-02-17 12:20:01 are they programmed with forth ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFEGUSChZOw