2026-03-26 02:41:01 <tpbsd       > wow, I just had my AI (GLM5) create a graphviz dot file for a old embedded project C source tree. Its really comprehensive, labelled, commented and presentable!
2026-03-26 06:58:04 <tpbsd       > https://mecrisp-stellaris-folkdoc.sourceforge.io/ai.html how to turn foreign Forth source into a flowchart for clarity
2026-03-26 12:44:39 <veltas      > Google claimed YouTube is not social media, it's a streaming platform
2026-03-26 12:45:26 <tpbsd       > I tend tp agree with them
2026-03-26 12:45:45 <veltas      > Sorry Google but the clue is in the name, it's literally a vlogging site where "You" can be on the "Tube"
2026-03-26 12:45:51 <tpbsd       > I use it to stream docos etc that I watch
2026-03-26 12:46:15 <veltas      > It's possible to use as a streaming platform but literally anyone can upload to it, and it started as a vlogging site, and is still used that way by many
2026-03-26 12:46:25 <veltas      > So they are just lying
2026-03-26 12:47:16 <veltas      > Nobody would claim Netflix is social media, but Netflix has never had a feature that lets people upload videos about what's on their mind etc
2026-03-26 12:48:10 <tpbsd       > good point
2026-03-26 12:48:29 <veltas      > At the same time I think it's ridiculous to charge them $2 mil for one girl's "social media addiction"
2026-03-26 12:49:24 <veltas      > This girl was awarded $6 mil for her social media addiction, where's my handout for being addicted to computers too?  I'm obviously a chump I've been addicted for free for all these years
2026-03-26 12:51:19 <veltas      > You know things are bad when the only thing booming is law
2026-03-26 12:56:11 <tpbsd       > yeah
2026-03-26 12:57:11 <tpbsd       > so I got my AI to draw a graphviz flowchart of some complex Forth code, it did a really good job imho
2026-03-26 12:58:15 <tpbsd       > I also got the AI to tell me the operation of the electronics in a schematic by giving it a gSchem .sch file, it did a pretty good job as well
2026-03-26 14:18:01 <vms14       > veltas: we live in a world where people is literally making more than a salary by playing minecraft
2026-03-26 14:18:48 <vms14       > and they can dedicate their life into playing minecraft as a full time job xd
2026-03-26 14:24:37 <tpbsd       > vms14, did we choose the wrong careers ?
2026-03-26 14:54:51 <veltas      > Hey at least they're entertaining people
2026-03-26 14:58:38 <iv4nshm4k0v > At people's own expense.
2026-03-26 14:59:16 <iv4nshm4k0v > (Or is it about Minecraft?)
2026-03-26 15:00:18 <vms14       > tpbsd: actually the bible says that young people know this world better
2026-03-26 15:00:25 <vms14       > the world changes and is no longer us
2026-03-26 15:00:47 <iv4nshm4k0v > FWIW, the way I see it, entertainment is a fairly narrow niche; most of the people who try themselves in art, music, minecraft - end up /not/ getting enough money to make a living out of that.
2026-03-26 15:00:53 <vms14       > i can see how after 30 the world is no longer yours, but of the next generation
2026-03-26 15:02:36 <vms14       > i miss the 90s but they are gone
2026-03-26 15:02:36 <tpbsd       > vms14, it's a big world :)
2026-03-26 15:02:59 <vms14       > you either accept the changes or cry
2026-03-26 15:03:02 <vms14       > or both :D
2026-03-26 15:03:49 <tpbsd       > vms14, Im 71 and I'm much more accepting of circumstances now
2026-03-26 15:04:19 <tpbsd       > vms14, as a young man, I thought I ruled the world, and I let nothing stand in my way
2026-03-26 15:04:46 <vms14       > i remember that feeling
2026-03-26 15:05:03 <tpbsd       > vms14, a person isnt static, humand are very adaptable to changing circumstances and environments
2026-03-26 15:05:43 <vms14       > yeah but a 20 year old guy will understand the current world better than us
2026-03-26 15:08:09 <veltas      > I don't really agree with that
2026-03-26 15:09:23 <vms14       > i bet a kid is already better than us making purchases online, getting travel tickets, etc
2026-03-26 15:35:35 <iv4nshm4k0v > It doesn't take a while for a young lab rat to learn to navigate a labyrinth.  Few, if any, of those rats ever comprehend that they're experimented on.
2026-03-26 15:35:35 <iv4nshm4k0v > And as a somewhat of a counterexample (though I do understand the limitations of such an observation), back in the 90s, I remember a lot of fellow kids learning to install software (mainly games, but occasionally development tools - or whatever software their parents would need) on PCs by their early teens.  So far as I can tell, it's not the case nowadays.
2026-03-26 15:46:45 <veltas      > Probably depends on the person
2026-03-26 15:46:59 <veltas      > I like to think I know more now about the world than when I was a kid
2026-03-26 15:53:04 <iv4nshm4k0v > 
ACTION listens to Another Cup of Coffee by Mike & The Mechanics via https://iskatel.hostingradio.ru:8015/iskatel-128.mp3 , drinks another cup of, if weak, tea 

2026-03-26 15:59:39 <cleobuline  > that's for the #forth channel gift from cleobuline https://labynet.fr/videos/snd_c80224e340.mp3
2026-03-26 16:00:24 <cleobuline  > :)
2026-03-26 16:02:07 <cleobuline  > iv4nshm4k0v:  listen to this https://labynet.fr/videos/snd_c80224e340.mp3
2026-03-26 16:11:56 <iv4nshm4k0v > cleobuline: A bit of context?
2026-03-26 16:12:16 <cleobuline  > context of here iv4nshm4k0v
2026-03-26 16:13:01 <cleobuline  > here is the best place to experiment with forth all ppls here are kind
2026-03-26 16:13:28 <cleobuline  > specially me :)
2026-03-26 16:14:48 <cleobuline  > it's your web radio iv4nshm4k0v ?
2026-03-26 16:16:00 <cleobuline  > visit us too https://labynet.fr  irc://irc.labynet.fr and enjoy
2026-03-26 16:17:55 <iv4nshm4k0v > Not /my/ radio, just one I often listen to - via either HTTP or UHF/FM.
2026-03-26 16:19:02 <vms14       > veltas: yeah, but you know a lot of rules and stuff about the world that does not apply anymore
2026-03-26 16:19:25 <vms14       > do*
2026-03-26 16:23:59 <cleobuline  > vms14:  what you mean ?
2026-03-26 16:25:52 <cleobuline  > on my irc channel i has made a lot of ia bots to play with , i think it's an autistic passion
2026-03-26 16:30:32 <vms14       > cleobuline: nothing, we were talking about the fact that we get old
2026-03-26 16:30:49 <vms14       > and things are not like we were used to
2026-03-26 16:31:12 <vms14       > btw veltas look no stack!
2026-03-26 16:31:26 <vms14       > benchmark var counter 0 iterate i range 1 1000000 increment-by counter i end counter end
2026-03-26 16:31:28 <vms14       > execution took 0.560388 seconds
2026-03-26 16:31:30 <vms14       > 500000500000
2026-03-26 16:32:15 <vms14       > it's still very weird internally
2026-03-26 16:33:26 <vms14       > but i guess i have fixed forth syntax, it was reversed!
2026-03-26 16:42:18 <cleobuline  > vms14:  i am 67 years old and i am pleased to play with ia python bots :)
2026-03-26 16:44:14 <cleobuline  > forthBot:  : test 1 0 1000000 DO  LOOP ;
2026-03-26 16:45:09 <cleobuline  > forthBot:  : test 0 1000000 DO  LOOP ;
2026-03-26 16:45:38 <cleobuline  > forthBot:  MICRO test MICRO SWAP - .
2026-03-26 16:45:38 <forthBot    > 150
2026-03-26 16:47:12 <cleobuline  > forthBot:  : test 0 1000000 DO i DROP LOOP ;
2026-03-26 16:47:12 <forthBot    > Unknown word in definition: i
2026-03-26 16:47:21 <cleobuline  > forthBot:  : test 0 1000000 DO I  DROP LOOP ;
2026-03-26 16:47:26 <cleobuline  > forthBot:  MICRO test MICRO SWAP - .
2026-03-26 16:47:27 <forthBot    > 7
2026-03-26 16:47:43 <cleobuline  > ?
2026-03-26 16:47:46 <cleobuline  > bizarre
2026-03-26 16:49:44 <cleobuline  > forthBot:  : test   1000000 0 DO I  DROP LOOP ;
2026-03-26 16:50:01 <cleobuline  > forthBot:  MICRO test MICRO SWAP - .
2026-03-26 16:50:01 <forthBot    > 175091
2026-03-26 16:50:07 <cleobuline  > better
2026-03-26 16:55:09 <vms14       > yeah my lang will be slow compared to anything written in c, but being written in js i guess is as fast as it can get xD
2026-03-26 18:50:01 <forthBot    > Environment for cleobuline inactive, freeing...
2026-03-26 19:14:49 <DKordic     > KipIngram: What is that Python lib for generating machine code you mentioned?
2026-03-26 19:22:24 <KipIngram   > https://pypi.org/project/riscvlib/
2026-03-26 19:22:54 <KipIngram   > My understanding is that similar libraries exist for other major processor architectures.
2026-03-26 19:53:30 <DKordic     > KipIngram: Thank You.  I was expecting something more interesting.  Along the lines of https://alastairreid.github.io/riscv-spec-issues/ .
2026-03-26 19:56:29 <vms14       > veltas: this is how it looks
2026-03-26 19:56:32 <vms14       > https://vms14.gitlab.io/oh/verse.oh
2026-03-26 19:56:45 <vms14       > idk if you are interested or i'm annoying you though xd
2026-03-26 19:57:11 <vms14       > https://vms14.gitlab.io/oh/oh.html  that's the code running
2026-03-26 20:01:11 <vms14       > i'm kind of happy, but not sure it is really what i wanted, it seems so. I'll have to rewrite it soon and understand what i'm doing better
2026-03-26 20:06:56 <DKordic     > KipIngram: https://luplab.gitlab.io/rvcodecjs/#q=c.subw&abi=false&isa=AUTO seems to be of higher quality.  Warning: GNU AHPLv3!
2026-03-26 23:36:07 <kotorifa1   > I'm somewhat confused what a practical approach is to boostrapping a Forth system. At some point the boostrapping assembly code has to give up the process to the Forth code, out of which the majority of the system ought to be written, however to read the Forth code from disk, it requires for the boostrap ability to have a IDE/AHCI driver, so that would have to be written in assembly before anything can
2026-03-26 23:36:13 <kotorifa1   > be done in Forth, or am I wrong? I know that Forth systems traditionally use blocks, but I think down the road that will only complicate things, so am I understanding it right that I need to write a IDE/AHCI driver in assembly before boostraping any Forth code or can I use the Forth code already earlier?