2026-04-13 03:12:13 <tpbsd       > Australian Prime Minister: After the closure of the Strait of Hormuz, commute to work by train or bus
2026-04-13 03:16:59 <KipIngram   > veltas: I was fairly young during the Reagan years, and had a young person's sort of blind devotion to him.  I realized later on he was far from perfect, but I still think he was a really good thing for the U.S.  He brought us out of the malaise of the 1970's.  Or, rather, he was the man in the seat when we came out of it, so for a lot of us he got the credit.
2026-04-13 03:17:50 <KipIngram   > I was a major Thatcher fan too - my attitude in the 1980's was that the English speaking world was in good hands.  I'm sorry, tpbsd - at the time I wasn't much aware of Australian politics, so I don't really know what was going on there at the time.
2026-04-13 03:18:55 <KipIngram   > I learned a little about some of it recently - a YouTube channel I watch (The Rest is History) did a series of videos on Australian prime ministers.  So I've at least heard some of the names now.  I really should learn more about it.
2026-04-13 03:20:07 <tpbsd       > KipIngram, after the Whitlam govt was sacked by the Govenor General (appointed by the english queen) I stopped following Australia politics and found American politics far more interesting
2026-04-13 03:21:05 <tpbsd       > KipIngram, my favorite Australian prine minister in recent decades is Paul Keating, the ex pig farmer
2026-04-13 03:21:37 <tpbsd       > KipIngram, I loved his colorful language and obvious intelligence
2026-04-13 03:36:36 <nmz         > grab your popcorn, an empire is collapsing and a dictatorship is being set in place
2026-04-13 03:40:17 <tpbsd       > may we live in interesting times!
2026-04-13 03:40:39 <nmz         > no thanks
2026-04-13 03:40:46 <nmz         > I can barely afford food atm
2026-04-13 03:41:23 <nmz         > but its also kinda nice, instead of traveling, I've gone for the microsoft flight simulator experience
2026-04-13 03:41:30 <nmz         > why travel when you can cruise around I guess
2026-04-13 03:41:48 <nmz         > decided*
2026-04-13 03:41:55 <nmz         > I'm still looking for a clone for it
2026-04-13 03:42:02 <KipIngram   > nmz: That's close to how I feel.  I can see anything in the world right on my computer, and learn all we know about it.
2026-04-13 03:42:10 <KipIngram   > Without having to go to any dangerous places.
2026-04-13 03:42:52 <nmz         > KipIngram: well... it isn't a reward, its a consolation prize
2026-04-13 03:43:01 <nmz         > fidelity will never be equal
2026-04-13 03:44:13 <nmz         > So far, my TV doesn't give me any vitamin D
2026-04-13 03:44:27 <nmz         > only headaches
2026-04-13 03:44:29 <nmz         > haha
2026-04-13 03:45:09 <tpbsd       > nmz, may I suggest Flightgear ? FlightGear is a popular open-source flight simulator that is free to use and available on multiple platforms, including Windows, macOS, and Linux. It offers realistic flight dynamics, global scenery, and a variety of aircraft, making it suitable for both enthusiasts and researchers.
2026-04-13 03:46:09 <tpbsd       > nmz, I've never played microsoft flight simulator as I havent used windows since 1997, but Ive played flightgear heaps and really like it
2026-04-13 03:47:24 <tpbsd       > it's quite advanced, there are maps of all Australian cities and areas, so I was always flying an A4 around the area I was born in when I was a bit homesick
2026-04-13 03:47:44 <tpbsd       > I used it under Linux last I played it
2026-04-13 03:48:25 <tpbsd       > but I must admit, of late Ive found the massive free game BAR (beyond all reason) very entertaining
2026-04-13 03:48:35 <tpbsd       > free as in FLOSS
2026-04-13 03:49:22 <tpbsd       > BAR is the most impressive computer game Ive ever seen in my life to date
2026-04-13 03:50:10 <tpbsd       > but it's Linux only so I cant play it under freebsd which is my daily driver
2026-04-13 03:50:54 <tpbsd       > https://www.flightgear.org/
2026-04-13 03:51:26 <tpbsd       > https://www.beyondallreason.info/
2026-04-13 05:08:29 <lisbeths    > macrosh(){ sh|sh;};cjit(){cat<<x>"$1";(tcc -run "$1";rm "$1")&};elfc(){ awk '{d["init"]="#include <fcntl.h>\n#include <sys/mman.h>\n#include <string.h>\n#include <stdint.h>\n#include <stddef.h>\nint main(){";d["map"]="do{int "$3"=open("$4",O_RDWR);"$2"=(("$3")>=0?mmap(0,"$5",PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE,MAP_PRIVATE,"$3",0):MAP_FAILED);}while(0)";d["unmap"]="munmap(("$2"),("$3"))";d["cpy"]="memcpy("$2","$3","$4")";d["var"]=$2"
2026-04-13 05:08:29 <lisbeths    > "$3;d["ctrl"]=$2"("$3"){";d["case"]="case "$2":";p=$2"=";for(i=3;i<=$NF;i++){p=p" "$i}d["op"]=p;d["get"]=$2"=*("$3"*)("$4")";d["set"]="*("$2"*)("$3")="$4;d["seek"]=$2"=(void*)((char*)"$2"+(intptr_t)("$3"))";o=d[$2];if(!o){o=$2}print o";"}';}; #fastlang ©2026 john morris beck licensed gpl2 #change init,map,unmap,&cpy to arch specific code. for macros use basforth https://github.com/pahihu/basforth/blob/master/basforth.awk
2026-04-13 05:08:49 <lisbeths    > this is the system im working on
2026-04-13 05:10:38 <lisbeths    > basforth allows for a forth interface on unix like systems. elfc is a layer that allows you to JIT finite state machines with memory sharing in a way that is portable across architectures
2026-04-13 05:11:18 <lisbeths    > one instance of this uses maybe a megabyte of memory chuck wouldnt approve :(
2026-04-13 05:11:56 <lisbeths    > this is more useful for cloud programming than it is for embedded
2026-04-13 05:34:48 <nmz         > tpbsd: downloaded, will give it a try when I get the itch to
2026-04-13 05:35:49 <tpbsd       > nmz, cool!
2026-04-13 05:36:37 <tpbsd       > I hope you find it useful, it is complex and featurefull, but hasnt had the millions spen on it that microsoft flight sim has
2026-04-13 05:51:39 <nmz         > tpbsd: you can play mindustry if you like strat games
2026-04-13 05:52:24 <nmz         > lutris+wine
2026-04-13 05:53:00 <nmz         > I did try to give waydroid a try, I can't believe the smoothest GUI experience is in mobile, desktops is still a PITA
2026-04-13 05:53:05 <nmz         > I blame POSIX honestly
2026-04-13 05:53:27 <nmz         > its not open/free though
2026-04-13 05:54:48 <nmz         > I tried battle for wesnoth, it was not... great. especially when you can just run an emulator and play advanced wars or FTL
2026-04-13 05:55:27 <tpbsd       > nmz, I'm not much of a gamer now I'm 71, id rather program than game now
2026-04-13 05:56:19 <tpbsd       > nmz, when I was younger I was totally addicted to 'urban Terror' in multiplayer
2026-04-13 05:58:23 <nmz         > Ah, I tried xonotic the other day and I just can't follow, I'm just reaching my 40s and I can't do FPS anymore
2026-04-13 05:59:16 <nmz         > you gotta move away from code sometimes
2026-04-13 05:59:55 <nmz         > Right now, I stop, because if I think about coding, I wake up in the middle of the night with the bugfix to something and I don't like that, so easy cozy games at night for me
2026-04-13 06:00:24 <nmz         > lisbeths: what in tarnation is that?
2026-04-13 06:01:20 <tpbsd       > nmz, Im not a programmer, Im a retired electronics tech, so programming is just to make my electronics projects work
2026-04-13 06:02:31 <nmz         > it looks like a gsub transposer transpiler thing
2026-04-13 06:02:56 <nmz         > interpreter*
2026-04-13 07:55:58 <lisbeths    > nmz: thats a system for writing performant code in the shell in a way that is portable
2026-04-13 10:06:31 <veltas      > tpbsd: Interesting you mention Whitlam, because some think he was sacked for stepping on the CIA's toes, and then you move onto US politics
2026-04-13 10:07:03 <veltas      > Crazy story with him regardless
2026-04-13 10:07:46 <tpbsd       > he was a impressive figure, but th main thing is he kept his promise and I didnt have to go kill people in vietnam
2026-04-13 10:07:58 <tpbsd       > thats why I voted for him
2026-04-13 10:08:32 <tpbsd       > Im sure he stepped on the CIA's toes when he pulled ausie troops out of vietnam
2026-04-13 10:08:35 <veltas      > Nice
2026-04-13 10:09:30 <tpbsd       > he said after he was sacked "God may well save the Queen, but nothing can save the Govenor General"
2026-04-13 10:11:57 <veltas      > lol
2026-04-13 12:49:43 <veltas      > All you need is qsort() / bsearch()
2026-04-13 13:52:07 <KipIngram   > Interesting - I looked Whitlam up online and nothing in the Wikipedia description made it seem like foreign issues were connected with his sacking.  Given that he lost the election he tried to use to come back ("by a landslide" according to Wikpedia), the impression given is that times had changed and the Governor-General just accelerated the political adjustment.
2026-04-13 13:52:21 <KipIngram   > Of course, it wouldn't surprise me if the CIA can manipulate what we read on Wikipedia.
2026-04-13 13:52:49 <KipIngram   > It sounded like he instituted some pretty major changes while he was in power.
2026-04-13 13:53:39 <KipIngram   > A lot of them things people would argue about, but given he was a liberal politician it looks to me hard not to call him successful.
2026-04-13 13:54:04 <tpbsd       > KipIngram, bringing back the ausie troops from vietnam was a big one, and all I cared about at the time
2026-04-13 13:54:19 <KipIngram   > He was credited with bringing in universal health care and free higher education - those are major changes and right in the heart of the liberal "dream basket."
2026-04-13 13:54:58 <KipIngram   > Vietnam was an insane war.  Maybe it all made sense in the beginning, but it became a political disaster and was grossly mismanaged.
2026-04-13 13:56:43 <KipIngram   > And I've heard a couple of analysts that I resonate with fairly well politically say that the US "lost the war but won the subsequent peace" - it seems like things turned out well enough in the end.  So getting the damn thing over with looks like the right thing to me.
2026-04-13 13:56:46 <tpbsd       > KipIngram, I didnt want to be forced to kill anyone, and resisting the draft meant jail and being pilloried by the community
2026-04-13 13:57:35 <KipIngram   > Yeah - it was over by the time I was old enough to face that, but if it had dragged on it very well might have swept me up too.
2026-04-13 13:58:30 <KipIngram   > I was required to register with the Selective Service when I turned 18, and I remember being pretty happy when I made it to 26 and that requirement dropped.
2026-04-13 14:00:37 <KipIngram   > I've been listening to podcast that deep dive on various WWII battles, and the "hell of war" comes through loud and clear.  So glad I never had to endure such things.
2026-04-13 14:00:43 <tpbsd       > yeah, Im ok dfending my country from a invader, but not invading someone elses country
2026-04-13 14:01:06 <KipIngram   > Right - I have to think that's the most common feeling across most people.
2026-04-13 14:04:23 <tpbsd       > I agree, tho you get the soldier types who just want a gun and to kill people
2026-04-13 14:04:33 <KipIngram   > Oh, for sure.
2026-04-13 14:04:50 <tpbsd       > which Im sure are a minority of psychos
2026-04-13 14:05:20 <tpbsd       > and despised by 'real' professional soldiers
2026-04-13 14:07:33 <KipIngram   > Similar thing happens with police officers - a small slice on them go into the profession because they get off on lording power over people.  I think some kind of screening should be done and that they should try to reject people who show that tendency.
2026-04-13 14:08:20 <tpbsd       > KipIngram, agreed
2026-04-13 14:09:23 <tpbsd       > KipIngram, in fact one could say that such professions attract people like that
2026-04-13 14:09:30 <KipIngram   > Yes.
2026-04-13 14:09:58 <tpbsd       > only those who avoid power over others should have it I think
2026-04-13 14:10:04 <KipIngram   > My guess is that they're they same people who tended toward being bullies in high school.  And maybe a few who got bullied and have resentment over it.
2026-04-13 14:10:18 <KipIngram   > Exactly - that's exactly how I feel about it.
2026-04-13 14:10:29 <KipIngram   > And it's too bad we can't implement that in politics too.
2026-04-13 14:10:41 <KipIngram   > But given the nature of the political process it's hard to see how.
2026-04-13 14:11:23 <tpbsd       > nor I
2026-04-13 14:12:27 <veltas      > Finally had a good reason to use BEGIN UNTIL
2026-04-13 14:12:38 <veltas      > And I didn't even have to invert the condition
2026-04-13 14:12:42 <KipIngram   > What we wind up with (in the US at least) is a "political class" - a set of career politicians who tend to become just another kind of elite.  Ideally you'd like for the people governing you to know that very soon they'll be going home to live in the world that they're shaping, as ordinary people again.
2026-04-13 14:14:50 <KipIngram   > I've long thought that if I could have a time machine and go have one conversation with the Founding Fathers, it would be about to encourage term limits on all offices.
2026-04-13 14:15:16 <KipIngram   > s/about//
2026-04-13 14:15:51 <tpbsd       > KipIngram, they say that Lincoln could never be president today, because he's not photogenic or handsome enough for tv
2026-04-13 14:16:21 <KipIngram   > Yeah, lots of stuff has basically become "celebrity driven."
2026-04-13 14:16:39 <tpbsd       > KipIngram, I agree, to get rid of all 'deep state' career builders
2026-04-13 14:16:51 <tpbsd       > of the public service
2026-04-13 14:17:00 <KipIngram   > True - it all goes well beyond the elected offices.
2026-04-13 14:17:24 <tpbsd       > they rotate cops here so long term corruption cant build
2026-04-13 14:17:31 <tpbsd       > stuff like that
2026-04-13 14:17:32 <KipIngram   > That's very wise.
2026-04-13 14:17:54 <KipIngram   > Charlegmane did that with the people he sent out to the remote provinces to check up on his earls and stuff out there.
2026-04-13 14:18:02 <tpbsd       > corruption and cops go together as you might expect
2026-04-13 14:18:15 <tpbsd       > yeah, it's a ancient strategy
2026-04-13 14:19:39 <KipIngram   > The "missi dominici."  They always went out in pairs, as checks on one another, and got rotated around the provinces to prevent those relationships from forming.
2026-04-13 14:37:56 <KipIngram   > Regarding free education, I'm fine with the idea (in spite of generally leaning conservative), but I think the  idea that "everyone will go to college" is a broken idea.  If we're going to have free education, I think it should be a merit-driven process where you advance to higher tiers by excelling in the lower tiers.  So everyone winds up educated to the level they're competent for, and then
2026-04-13 14:37:58 <KipIngram   > drops out of that system and moves on with life.  If it's done right, you'd then see a natural bell curve of education levels emerge.  And in my mind that de-stigmatizes "failure" - most people will have failed at SOME LEVEL of the process.  If the higher tiers aren't advanced enough that "most people can't handle them," then they're... not advanced enough.
2026-04-13 14:39:10 <KipIngram   > The attitude should be more like "helping people position themselves to help the nation" rather than "giving them a free gift."
2026-04-13 14:39:26 <tpbsd       > to me, the purpose of libraries is 'free education' I never needed more
2026-04-13 14:39:46 <tpbsd       > I was always keen to bypass the middle man
2026-04-13 14:39:47 <KipIngram   > That's a great point, and these days the internet itself offers a similar facility.
2026-04-13 14:39:59 <tpbsd       > especially with AI
2026-04-13 14:40:21 <tpbsd       > Ive been super impressed with GLM-5.1 lately
2026-04-13 14:40:34 <KipIngram   > For some years now I've taken the position that there no longer exist any financial barriers to LEARNING.  The knowledge is out there for anyoen that wants it.  Yes, it still costs money to get official credentials (degrees), but not to get the KNOWLEDGE.
2026-04-13 14:40:50 <tpbsd       > it's answers are impossible to get online from the usual search engines
2026-04-13 14:40:54 <KipIngram   > All a person needs to bring to the table to become educated is the time and energy and desire.
2026-04-13 14:41:43 <KipIngram   > So "ignorance" no longer has a financial excuse.
2026-04-13 14:41:44 <tpbsd       > yep, and youre right, the Internet is far cheaper than a local library
2026-04-13 14:42:13 <KipIngram   > And it's a great equalizer - local libraries will vary vastly in quality, but the internet is the same for everyone.
2026-04-13 14:42:14 <tpbsd       > and far easier to get to, especially if govts had free basic telecoms
2026-04-13 14:42:23 <KipIngram   > Well, outside of countries that block pieces of it.
2026-04-13 14:42:39 <tpbsd       > or censor it
2026-04-13 14:42:46 <KipIngram   > Right.
2026-04-13 14:43:04 <veltas      > Time poverty is probably more important than finacial poverty now
2026-04-13 14:43:33 <veltas      > Kids that grow up caring for sick parents etc are the poor ones now, not just people on a low quartile household income
2026-04-13 14:43:37 <tpbsd       > it's a problem tho. Id like my 5 year old grandchild to be able to use the internet, but it's too risky
2026-04-13 14:43:51 <KipIngram   > It's been more than forty years since I was "in school," and at this point I think I can claim that more of what I know has come from self-study than from formal study.  I just never stopped trying to learn.
2026-04-13 14:44:30 <tpbsd       > hes literate, can type, he speaks like an adult, he needs a lot more learning
2026-04-13 14:44:42 <KipIngram   > But I'm a little wierd - most people in the US don't have that kind of attitude toward learning.
2026-04-13 14:44:52 <tpbsd       > Im the same, I always saw school as daycare myself
2026-04-13 14:44:56 <KipIngram   > In fact, there seems to be some sort of disdain for it.
2026-04-13 14:45:05 <veltas      > I think that's quite common in tech
2026-04-13 14:45:45 <veltas      > School is daycare and frankly it's quite useful and healthy to have it
2026-04-13 14:45:59 <veltas      > I'm definitely not going to complain when my kids are old enough for it
2026-04-13 14:46:06 <KipIngram   > And it plays a socializing role - it's where most people learn to operate within a group of peers.
2026-04-13 14:46:29 <veltas      > Yup and the education and qualification stuff is what I'm hoping for too
2026-04-13 14:46:42 <tpbsd       > KipIngram, survive the bullies you mean ?
2026-04-13 14:46:48 <veltas      > Yeah tpbsd exactly
2026-04-13 14:46:59 <KipIngram   > Yes, that's part of it for sure.
2026-04-13 14:47:04 <veltas      > That's what I learned and I came out with a lot of rough edges
2026-04-13 14:47:15 <KipIngram   > And for MOST kids that's manageable, but for a few it becomes very difficult.
2026-04-13 14:47:30 <KipIngram   > Meanwhile the school will say "Oh, we don't have bullying here - we have a zero tolerance policy."
2026-04-13 14:47:35 <KipIngram   > Which is utter bullshit.
2026-04-13 14:47:36 <tpbsd       > technology was on my side, so that sorted out the school bully
2026-04-13 14:48:16 <KipIngram   > I was bullied some in grade shool, but not catastrophically so.
2026-04-13 14:49:11 <KipIngram   > I'm not impressed with our schools currently.  Both because of that and because they don't really teach kids how to think.
2026-04-13 14:49:13 <tpbsd       > he and 2 of his mates slapped me around in my first year of high school, I came home in a killing mood and charged up a oil filled cap I had with a few KV, and the next morning at school, I knocked him out with it
2026-04-13 14:49:27 <veltas      > lol
2026-04-13 14:49:30 <KipIngram   > They just crank them through their process and spit them out the other end.
2026-04-13 14:49:41 <tpbsd       > after that, the next years were totally free of bullying for me
2026-04-13 14:49:42 <KipIngram   > The schools serve the interests of the teachers more than anything else.
2026-04-13 14:49:56 <KipIngram   > And if you make noise about raising standards the teachers will scream bloody murder.
2026-04-13 14:50:09 <tpbsd       > in fact I often saw the bully being beaten by gangs of kids after that
2026-04-13 14:50:37 <KipIngram   > Lone bullies walk a dangerous road.  Same thing happens to lone alpha males in chimp colonies.
2026-04-13 14:50:53 <KipIngram   > After a while the other males figure out they can operate as a pack, and it's a bad day for the bully alpha.
2026-04-13 14:51:37 <tpbsd       > well he was part of a group of 3, but that group seemed less cohesive after I dealt with him
2026-04-13 14:52:19 <tpbsd       > yeah, I was amazed, because I thought it was me v/s them and I had few friends at school (and didnt care)
2026-04-13 14:52:44 <tpbsd       > but when I saw other kids tackling him in groups I was very suprised
2026-04-13 14:52:55 <KipIngram   > Well, even when a power goup like that is holding together there are likely still internal resentments.
2026-04-13 14:53:40 <tpbsd       > I was only interested in electronics, not school
2026-04-13 14:54:16 <KipIngram   > When Rome was burning through emporers like there was no tomorrow, it wasn't the people overthrowing them - it was the inner circles of the emporers in a lot of cases.
2026-04-13 14:54:22 <tpbsd       > and I couldnt understand why all the other kids were not as obsessed with electronics as I was
2026-04-13 14:54:40 <KipIngram   > Electronics is the closest thing we have to magic.
2026-04-13 14:54:48 <tpbsd       > in fact I think I was the only one
2026-04-13 14:55:10 <tpbsd       > back in the late 60's
2026-04-13 14:55:26 <KipIngram   > That was an almost perfect time to be into electronics.
2026-04-13 14:55:54 <tpbsd       > it sure was, and the WW2 army surplus made it possible
2026-04-13 14:56:33 <tpbsd       > these days altho  it's the golden age of tech, anything quality is hard to find and very expensive
2026-04-13 14:58:15 <KipIngram   > Heh.  My fans just spun up, and sure enough there are packagekitd and the flatpak updater in my process list.
2026-04-13 14:59:59 <tpbsd       > KipIngram, what distro ?
2026-04-13 15:00:04 <tpbsd       > ubuntu ?
2026-04-13 15:00:16 <tpbsd       > nixos ?
2026-04-13 15:08:38 <KipIngram   > Fedora 41.
2026-04-13 15:08:51 <KipIngram   > Fedora 42 is out there and I should bump up to it sometime soon.
2026-04-13 15:09:19 <KipIngram   > This notebook was put together by the Fedora org itself - they call the line "Slimbook."  I've been very happy with it.
2026-04-13 15:10:01 <tpbsd       > oh! cool. how the world has changed
2026-04-13 15:10:31 <tpbsd       > Linux was locked out of preinstalled pc products for decades
2026-04-13 15:11:19 <KipIngram   > Indeed - the first "Linux out of the box" notebook I got was from Lenovo.  Also Fedora.  It was... ok, but you could tell in some ways it was an "also ran" sort of effort.
2026-04-13 15:11:27 <KipIngram   > This one seems to have been set up with love and care.
2026-04-13 15:11:56 <tpbsd       > microsoft threatened 'contract breach' to all companies that also supplied windows on PC's if they included a Linux offering
2026-04-13 15:12:02 <KipIngram   > It's a whole lot better than earlier when I had to buy Windows and then install Linux myself - that always led to months of tinkering to get power usage optimized and so on.
2026-04-13 15:12:17 <tpbsd       > exactly!
2026-04-13 15:12:40 <tpbsd       > the only way to get Linux was self install not that long ago
2026-04-13 15:12:43 <KipIngram   > That's the sort of behavior from Microsoft that I think shouldn't be allowed.  That's them flexing their "pseudo-monopoly" muscle.
2026-04-13 15:12:54 <tpbsd       > and thats why Linux wasnt on the desktop
2026-04-13 15:13:04 <tpbsd       > exactly
2026-04-13 15:13:07 <KipIngram   > And that kept getting harder - they burried little things in the BIOS  you had to figure out how to change.
2026-04-13 15:13:36 <veltas      > The first computer I bought with Linux on it was a libreboot thinkpad that someone sold, but obviously not from IBM/Lenovo themselves
2026-04-13 15:13:57 <tpbsd       > and now microsoft is in real trouble with windows11 which is universally hated, Ive never see a windows release bomb so badly
2026-04-13 15:13:59 <veltas      > Then I bought a Dell laptop with Ubuntu, which was cool
2026-04-13 15:14:13 <KipIngram   > This Slimbook has a 1TB SSD and 32 GB of RAM, and it's been awesome.  Only cost about $1200.
2026-04-13 15:14:23 <tpbsd       > yeah dell was one that did make Linux available at some point
2026-04-13 15:14:26 <veltas      > The Dell laptop was quite cheap too
2026-04-13 15:14:35 <veltas      > Currently they only have expensive offerings for Linux
2026-04-13 15:15:03 <tpbsd       > thats also unusual because microsoft allowed Linux 'netbooks' but limited ram to 16GB'
2026-04-13 15:15:07 <KipIngram   > Oh, the other Lenovo foul-up was that I opted for a 512 GB SSD, instead of the normal 256GB, but when I got it it seems that it was imaged with a 256GB image anyway.  The other 256GB was "out there," but not accessible.
2026-04-13 15:15:15 <KipIngram   > I had to jump some hoops to fix that.
2026-04-13 15:15:40 <KipIngram   > Fortunately it had been configured with LVM, so it was fairly straightforward once I found the right instructions.
2026-04-13 15:15:44 <tpbsd       > sounds normal, all the tricks to keep Linux down
2026-04-13 15:16:57 <tpbsd       > but europe, spain, italy, france are now pulling out all govt microsoft windows I read and saving hundreds of millions of $ going to Linux
2026-04-13 15:17:33 <tpbsd       > it's become a security issue with all the political upheaval
2026-04-13 15:18:14 <tpbsd       > lol, europe has made 'euro-office' by forking libre office
2026-04-13 15:18:23 <tpbsd       > and theyre switching to that
2026-04-13 15:18:29 <tpbsd       > on Linux
2026-04-13 15:19:00 <tpbsd       > I think microsofts monopoly back has been broken at last
2026-04-13 15:28:08 <veltas      > This has been attempted many times before and failed, but the scale is very different now
2026-04-13 15:28:11 <veltas      > So might work
2026-04-13 15:28:18 <veltas      > But needs careful planning and resources
2026-04-13 15:29:34 <tpbsd       > veltas, it seems to be the general world condition doing it (politics, money, bad software etc)
2026-04-13 15:30:21 <tpbsd       > veltas, Linux is in everything now, phones, routers, wifi, IOT etc
2026-04-13 15:33:44 <veltas      > Yeah but it's not common on desktops, which is what they're trying to replace
2026-04-13 15:34:05 <veltas      > I'm not going to hold my breath, but good luck to them
2026-04-13 15:34:23 <veltas      > It's in their interest to do it, it's just already gone wrong so much
2026-04-13 15:36:51 <tpbsd       > veltas, well windows has the critical mass of electronics apps due to the wintel monopoly
2026-04-13 15:37:22 <tpbsd       > if it's proprietary software, 99% of it is on windows
2026-04-13 15:37:33 <tpbsd       > thats not easily changed
2026-04-13 15:38:12 <tpbsd       > for Linux to get on the desktop, only time is needed, no campaign, no war, it will happen organically in time
2026-04-13 15:38:50 <tpbsd       > as intel loses influence and ARM/RISC-V processors  become more common
2026-04-13 15:39:10 <tpbsd       > Linux will just slide in easily and organically
2026-04-13 15:39:32 <tpbsd       > just like it did with 4 billion cellphones on android
2026-04-13 15:39:40 <tpbsd       > where is WINCE now ?
2026-04-13 15:58:33 <veltas      > Actually happen to be working with Linux kernel today at work
2026-04-13 15:58:58 <veltas      > Looks like the kernel seems to use different allocators for small and large amounts of memory
2026-04-13 15:59:28 <veltas      > If it's smaller than a page it uses kmalloc and larger then another allocator
2026-04-13 16:00:03 <veltas      > Makes sense because I guess it won't benefit from virtual addressing?  I don't know if it uses that in kernel land
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2026-04-13 16:24:04 <KipIngram   > veltas: That's not surprising, really - I've thought a fair bit about memory management and always seem to gravitate toward multiple allocators.
2026-04-13 16:24:16 <KipIngram   > cleobuline: :-)  Rock on!
2026-04-13 16:29:23 <veltas      > Ah okay so it uses vmalloc() et al for larger allocations which doesn't allocate contiguous physical pages
2026-04-13 16:29:36 <veltas      > So I guess that would rely on virtual memory on systems that support it
2026-04-13 16:30:39 <veltas      > https://docs.kernel.org/core-api/mm-api.html#c.vmalloc
2026-04-13 16:31:54 <cleobuline  > NEW  , i'v setup a ollama IA on #ollama channel
2026-04-13 16:32:14 <cleobuline  > use ollama: prompt
2026-04-13 16:35:51 <veltas      > I think often physical memory must be contiguous depending on what sort of DMA stuff you want to do, or it just makes the DMA harder