2026-04-30 09:28:43 This morning I asked Copilot 365 to write a Forth word called MOVE-TEXT which is like MOVE except it BLANK's the old location (that's not overlapped with new location) after 2026-04-30 09:28:55 This is what it produced: https://paste.debian.net/plainh/9b02de81 2026-04-30 09:29:59 I've not even bothered running this but I'm interested to see if anyone can do better, this is a common operation in a forth block editor that I need to implement and will do so myself when I get time 2026-04-30 09:32:41 I mean, I also find two things about this word funny: it probably could have written at least one other word to reduce the complexity a lot, and also I told it to "BLANK" the areas and it used BL FILL instead for some reason 2026-04-30 09:33:02 It also claimed it was ANS Forth but uses RDROP 2026-04-30 09:35:41 thats a huge word! 2026-04-30 09:35:59 The style of the code is very gforthy (although gforth source would have used locals for this word) 2026-04-30 09:36:57 at first glance it looks like all standard Mecrisp-Stellaris definitions 2026-04-30 09:37:04 I have to admit that one of the things I'd rather /not/ get involved with, is LLMs. 2026-04-30 09:37:49 but Mecrisp-Stellaris reserves all defined ram in the startup code, so Id break it by trying to save in the same ram for a quick test 2026-04-30 09:38:42 iv4nshm4k0v: You can ignore the copilot word and write the word anyway if you want, or not 2026-04-30 09:39:04 I will write this probably at lunch break or tonight if I get a chance 2026-04-30 09:40:02 I can say with full certainty I won't copy this code from copilot or use copilot to generate any of my Forth code, I write Forth for fun and profit, not for LLM's 2026-04-30 09:43:42 It just seems wasteful to me to as much as /look/ at LLM-generated code. 2026-04-30 09:43:42 As a side note, http://fsf.org/blogs/licensing/rail-are-nonfree-and-unethical reads 'As a side note, RAIL refer to machine learning as "artificial intelligence" and completely ignore the fact that such applications have no actual intelligence as they do not have an understanding of anything. Using this term does a lot of harm, [...]' 2026-04-30 09:46:51 emacs therapist considered harmful 2026-04-30 09:47:49 hahah 2026-04-30 09:48:46 I used AI today a few times seeking enlightnment while learning Xschem simulator. Its very complex and I needed help I cant get anywhere but with a decent AI 2026-04-30 09:49:14 thats my main use of AI, a 'super Google 2026-04-30 09:57:29 Haven't used Google in years. And even http://duckduckgo.com/html/ I use rather sparingly: I've found it's oftentimes quicker to search the appropriate website (most commonly: Wikipedia) directly. Granted, not every website I'm interested offers a built-in search function, so DDG has its uses. 2026-04-30 09:57:29 But I'm reminded that a relative of mine, while working on his PhD thesis, was having trouble searching for sources of data he needed, and ended up asking one LLM or another. The LLM provided a number of citations... all of them proving to be fake. Not sure if it can be deemed an improvement over Google... 2026-04-30 09:58:38 iv4nshm4k0v, yeah, LLM's are terrible at lots of things, but so is my sister 2026-04-30 10:14:52 Isn't DDG just MSN Search now? 2026-04-30 10:16:29 veltas, yep 2026-04-30 10:17:10 Making a Forth-related search engine / directory sounds like a fun project actually 2026-04-30 10:17:23 Get vms14 on that one 2026-04-30 10:17:49 If he gets tired of all the calculator money 2026-04-30 10:29:46 hahah, yeah, money makes me tired also! 2026-04-30 11:40:51 veltas: No idea, TBH. Is MSN Search usable without Javascript? I can attest that DDG does work with Lynx (unlike many other search engines.) 2026-04-30 11:43:23 is lynx still Usable? i assumed the introduction of proof-of-work middlemen like anubis would have made javascript-less browsers basically unusable 2026-04-30 11:45:54 Some of the big websites (like Wikipedia), as well as lots of small, static-mostly, ones, never jumped the "proof-of-work" bandwagon. So yes, Lynx /is/ usable. About the only thing I cannot use Lynx for is to access my bank accounts. 2026-04-30 11:49:08 kibty: The 'bot verification' stuff is quickly making most sites unusable for me on a slow old Linux laptop, I just apparently look too much like a bot 2026-04-30 11:50:19 Huh; http://byteiota.com/copy-fail-cve-2026-31431-732-bytes-to-root-on-all-linux/ . 2026-04-30 11:50:54 veltas, Im getting that all the time as well 2026-04-30 11:51:23 I was just thinking this 'bot verification' is getting out of hand 2026-04-30 11:51:47 veltas, another reason to use a AI to replace online 'help' 2026-04-30 11:53:28 Given that such "bot checks" were introduced mainly to thwart machine learning bots in the first place? 2026-04-30 11:53:30 veltas, I had to revert to SVG as github is shrinking my PDF renders 2026-04-30 11:54:11 You can do your own renders 2026-04-30 11:55:05 Though in practice, such checks disrupt more than just "machine learning" or "old computer browsing" - they might prevent Wayback Machine from working, or downloading a site (say, with Wget) for offline viewing, 2026-04-30 11:57:18 I will admit I'm ignorant about what exactly the issue is, if bots bring your site to a crawl maybe you need to make the site more efficient 2026-04-30 12:05:53 The issue is that for years (or even decades), you've ran a site with hundreds of hits an hour at the most. And then you've suddenly getting 10 000 of hits - including ones to "costly" things - like built-in search or diff functions. And now you either have to rebuild your site from scratch, or move it to a costlier VPS tier. 2026-04-30 12:06:25 Yeah I guess 2026-04-30 12:07:07 Or, in other words, someone starts using your website for their profit at your expense.