2026-06-03 01:27:59 <xentrac     > yeah, if you remove features from the C your compiler implements, you're just making life hard for the poor sod who is trying to port existing code to it, perhaps from the previous version
2026-06-03 01:28:05 <xentrac     > of the same compiler
2026-06-03 02:44:37 <Stalevar    > In Ben Eather first video he mentioned that he's using modern W65C02 chip which is static (doesn't lose registers when clock isn't running
2026-06-03 02:45:21 <Stalevar    > For a front panel computer this is required if it needs to include step mode
2026-06-03 02:45:38 <Stalevar    > Now that I have actually looked, I ordered Z0840004PSC chip
2026-06-03 02:54:14 <Stalevar    > AI said all Z80 use static RAM registers, both NMOS and CMOS
2026-06-03 02:54:26 <Stalevar    > datasheet /static didn't get anything
2026-06-03 09:10:01 <veltas      > Registers are 'static' yeah.  In fact most MCUs embed static RAM, not dynamic RAM.  Maybe larger ones use dynamic?
2026-06-03 10:08:58 <veltas      > https://hpcalcs.com/product/hp-16c-collectors-edition/
2026-06-03 10:09:08 <veltas      > This is all of your faults
2026-06-03 10:51:25 <veltas      > I see a half-written blog post titled "pumpkin_spice_frexp" in my blog directory, can't imagine what horrors lay within
2026-06-03 10:58:43 <MrMobius    > Stalevar: ya, had to run old 6502 at at least 0.2mhz to keep registers valid
2026-06-03 10:59:26 <MrMobius    > sometimes the datasheet will mention "static down to DC" or something similar meaning no minimum frequency
2026-06-03 11:04:12 <veltas      > So then the registers were not "SRAM"
2026-06-03 11:04:47 <veltas      > It's weird to me to think of registers as "RAM" or static/dynamic memory at all, although I guess it does seem to apply loosely
2026-06-03 13:36:47 <cleobuline  > forthBot:  LOAD ini.fth
2026-06-03 13:36:48 <forthBot    > File ini.fth with MOON  loaded
2026-06-03 13:36:58 <cleobuline  > forthBot: CREDIT
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2026-06-03 14:58:39 <Stalevar    > forthBot, ."test\nNICK forthBott"
2026-06-03 14:58:48 <Stalevar    > forthBot: ."test\nNICK forthBott"
2026-06-03 14:58:49 <forthBot    > Error: Unknown word: ."test\nNICK
2026-06-03 14:59:07 <Stalevar    > cleobuline, hi. Did you fix the command injection?
2026-06-03 15:09:05 <veltas      > forthBot: ." test\nNICK forthBott"
2026-06-03 15:09:05 <forthBot    > test\nNICK forthBott
2026-06-03 15:36:58 <forthBot    > Environment for cleobuline inactive, freeing...
2026-06-03 16:35:55 <cleobuline  > forthBot:  : test ." /nick toto " CR ;
2026-06-03 16:35:59 <cleobuline  > forthBot:  test
2026-06-03 16:35:59 <forthBot    > /nick toto
2026-06-03 16:58:48 <forthBot    > Environment for Stalevar inactive, freeing...
2026-06-03 17:03:16 <xentrac     > registers can be quite precisely static or dynamic, but sometimes they are not random-access because they have no address bus
2026-06-03 17:03:44 <Stalevar    > forthBot: : nick CLEAR-STACK 10 88 116 111 66 104 116 114 111 70 32 75 67 73 78 10 BEGIN DEPTH WHILE EMIT REPEAT ; nick CR
2026-06-03 17:03:53 <xentrac     > I don't think I've ever seen an MCU that embedded dynamic RAM
2026-06-03 17:05:04 <Stalevar    > forthBot: : nick CLEAR-STACK 10 116 111 66 104 116 114 111 102 32 75 67 73 78 10 BEGIN DEPTH WHILE EMIT REPEAT ; nick CR
2026-06-03 17:09:05 <forthBot    > Environment for veltas inactive, freeing...
2026-06-03 18:35:59 <forthBot    > Environment for cleobuline inactive, freeing...
2026-06-03 19:05:05 <forthBot    > Environment for Stalevar inactive, freeing...
2026-06-03 19:11:44 <Stalevar    > cleobuline, could you make it stop poking people please?
2026-06-03 22:26:55 <veltas      > Also just free envs when you run out of a fixed number, not after time.  And don't tell people when they're freed
2026-06-03 22:27:28 <veltas      > I doubt the bot has ever consumed that much resources from keeping environments alive
2026-06-03 22:28:33 <veltas      > xentrac: I misspoke saying RAM I just meant memory
2026-06-03 22:30:23 <veltas      > One might argue they have addresses though and are random-access, it's just not really an impressive feature for a small number of words
2026-06-03 22:30:44 <veltas      > I mean e.g. on Z80 the registers are represented by a 3 bit number, I guess that's an address of sorts
2026-06-03 22:31:21 <veltas      > Very weird to think about it that way