2026-07-15 14:22:14 <cleobuline  > TITRE: Trans-Europe Express (2009 Remaster) ARTIST: Kraftwerk ALBUM: Trans-Europe Express (2009 Remaster) https://labynet.fr:8443/stream
2026-07-15 16:53:43 <veltas      > Working on a stocks analysis program
2026-07-15 16:54:02 <veltas      > Just to do the back-of-napkin calculations I've been doing
2026-07-15 16:56:24 <cleobuline  > bonjour
2026-07-15 16:57:13 <cleobuline  > TITRE: Italian Deep House 2026 Mediterranean Vibes ARTIST:  ALBUM:  https://labynet.fr:8443/stream
2026-07-15 17:03:04 <iv4nshm4k0v > 
ACTION listens to http://remix.kwed.org/files/RKOfiles/FeekZoid%20-%20Something%20Stranger.mp3 - http://remix.kwed.org/#RKOtorrents 

2026-07-15 17:05:08 <veltas      > I couldn't calculate the value of SpaceX on ZX Spectrum without using millions as my base unit
2026-07-15 17:05:19 <veltas      > Regardless of my base unit I can't justify the price
2026-07-15 17:07:54 <veltas      > I think I want to write like  STOCK" SpaceX" SPCX  200.00 MIL ASSETS  -100.00 MIL CURRENT EARNINGS  10 YEARS -1.00 BIL FUTURE EARNINGS  REPORT
2026-07-15 17:09:05 <veltas      > Stretch goal: actually save the data and allow recalling it to get old reports up or change small details
2026-07-15 17:09:43 <veltas      > Like  RECALL SPCX  20 YEARS -5.00 BIL FUTURE EARNINGS  REPORT
2026-07-15 17:10:09 <veltas      > Hey cleobuline I feel like this is something you could do in your Forth
2026-07-15 21:04:23 <xentrac     > veltas: I don't think it's about how incompetent authorities are, but about how authorities evade accountability, and how the objectives to which they direct their competence may not be what one would want or naively believe
2026-07-15 21:07:09 <xentrac     > the idea of putting your interrupt trigger in next is cool and interesting!  F-83 uses the same mechanism to get single-step debugging of Forth words: it puts a jump to the debugger in place of the normal next
2026-07-15 21:20:11 <veltas      > I used to think the same xentrac but spending more time around powerful people I tend to think it's incompetence rather than malice.  Still I'm sure there are some malicious among them.
2026-07-15 21:20:25 <veltas      > Accountability would be good
2026-07-15 21:20:46 <veltas      > Well it makes more sense for forth debugging than an interrupt
2026-07-15 21:21:09 <veltas      > I'm just trying to work around limitations on the 16K version of the ZX Spectrum with zenv doesn't support
2026-07-15 21:21:36 <veltas      > I'd like to put something out that works on both versions as well, I think it won't be as fast but I'm not so interested in raw performance as what interesting stuff is possible
2026-07-15 21:37:21 <xentrac     > I don't think it's malice
2026-07-15 21:38:13 <xentrac     > but it's easy to sort of personify the bureaucracy or reduce it to "powerful people" like the police chief or whoever
2026-07-15 21:39:50 <xentrac     > but most of the human acts by various government employees that created the space for the grooming gangs to operate were done by low-level functionaries who were just trying to follow the rules as they understood them and do what they were supposed to do
2026-07-15 21:41:07 <xentrac     > and in most cases they did so very competently
2026-07-15 21:42:45 <xentrac     > (sometimes the rules they were following were not written rules, but they were nevertheless rules)
2026-07-15 21:44:30 <xentrac     > it wasn't the occasional deviations from the established policies and procedures that resulted in massive and systematic human rights violations.  it was the fact that there was no working feedback mechanism that would align those policies and procedures with the well-being of the public
2026-07-15 21:45:58 <xentrac     > because the people who were being harmed were politically powerless
2026-07-15 21:50:50 <veltas      > Definitely I agree, should allow allocating more BUFFER's as at 16K you'd only want room for 1 or 2 by default with the block tools built
2026-07-15 21:51:16 <xentrac     > I think 2 is a lot better than 1
2026-07-15 21:51:21 <veltas      > Oh yes
2026-07-15 21:51:27 <xentrac     > the Forth standard only guarantees 1 IIRC
2026-07-15 21:51:30 <veltas      > I think 2 is the minimum in one standard
2026-07-15 21:51:53 <xentrac     > I tried to track that down but I didn't take notes
2026-07-15 21:51:54 <veltas      > Maybe Starting Forth or PolyForth spec... those aren't standards but they're some sort of benchmark
2026-07-15 21:52:03 <xentrac     > I think Starting Forth says 2
2026-07-15 21:52:40 <veltas      > But yeah you want  FLUSH  A BLOCK  B BLOCK UPDATE  1024 MOVE  to let you copy block A to B
2026-07-15 21:52:55 <veltas      > Or life sucks
2026-07-15 21:53:21 <xentrac     > well, for the specific and limited case of 1024 move you can just tell the system to retag the block buffer as being block B
2026-07-15 21:53:47 <xentrac     > but if you're doing anything more selective you either need an intermediate buffer or a guarantee that both will be resident
2026-07-15 21:53:53 <veltas      > I don't know of a Forth/spec that lets you do that
2026-07-15 21:54:08 <xentrac     > you always can thouh
2026-07-15 21:54:11 <xentrac     > *though
2026-07-15 21:54:17 <xentrac     > just maybe not in a standard way
2026-07-15 21:54:21 <veltas      > Yes
2026-07-15 21:54:27 <veltas      > I agree
2026-07-15 21:54:43 <xentrac     > and it's faster
2026-07-15 21:58:12 <veltas      > There's a picture of Paul Rudd from 50 years ago and he looks exactly like he does today
2026-07-15 21:58:21 <veltas      > But there's a painting in his house where he looks way older
2026-07-15 22:02:42 <xentrac     > I'm not familiar with Paul Rudd
2026-07-15 22:11:09 <veltas      > Nothing wrong with that
2026-07-15 22:40:03 <veltas      > xentrac: Watching the game?