2024-06-22 00:00:19 <dozens      > that's one factor. for me, my partner said i was snoring a lot and would stop breathing some times. so i ordered an at-home sleep study, which revealed mild apnea. so they gave me an oral appliance to wear. but on the follow up sleep study, i suddenly had severe central apnea. which is when it's not mechanical, but your brain just doesn't tell you to breathe. so that's when i went on the machine.
2024-06-22 00:03:13 <[Petros]    > hmm partner says I snor a lot..but then again I have a severily deviated nasal septum
2024-06-22 00:03:21 <[Petros]    > like an S shape :P
2024-06-22 00:03:29 <[Petros]    > could be that
2024-06-22 00:04:06 <[Petros]    > but didn't like the phrase "your brain just doesn't tell you to breathe" ...wtf?
2024-06-22 00:04:28 <dozens      > yeah that's the bad kind! haha
2024-06-22 00:04:44 <dozens      > and apnea is bad for you. leads to heart disease and dementia and all kinds of bad stuff.
2024-06-22 00:04:57 <[Petros]    > but it can't kill you right?
2024-06-22 00:05:11 <[Petros]    > like due to lack of breathing I mena
2024-06-22 00:05:12 <[Petros]    > mean
2024-06-22 00:05:27 <[Petros]    > it only lasts for what 3-4 secs?
2024-06-22 00:06:03 <dozens      > nah my aunt's was so bad she would stop breathing for a solid minute
2024-06-22 00:06:12 <[Petros]    > what
2024-06-22 00:06:14 <dozens      > doctor said we probably saved her life getting to finally go in
2024-06-22 00:07:01 <[Petros]    > maybe it'll help us to hold our breath longer underwater then....maybe we should become divers
2024-06-22 00:07:01 <dozens      > but that was really severe. usually, you're right, it's just several seconds
2024-06-22 00:57:11 <crc         > re: knowing when; I was initially diagnosed as a result of trying to find out why I have a hard time sleeping (for much of my life, I've only managed to sleep between 1-4 hours per day)
2024-06-22 01:06:23 <[Petros]    > crc...omg
2024-06-22 01:07:34 <[Petros]    > hmm
2024-06-22 01:08:53 <[Petros]    > as if our bodies don't have a comfortable time while sleeping so they force us to sleep the least we can get by? hmm
2024-06-22 01:09:00 <[Petros]    > sounds...scary?
2024-06-22 01:09:09 <[Petros]    > like self-preservation?
2024-06-22 01:10:57 <[Petros]    > but during the weekends i sleep more...
2024-06-22 01:11:44 <[Petros]    > 'cause i can't take any more sleep deprevasion...I feel like I have to make it up for the hours I've lost kinda thing...so I tend to sleep more on weekends
2024-06-22 01:12:17 <crc         > I think there's a degree of that as part of natural processes
2024-06-22 01:14:23 <crc         > I tend to gradually decrease in sleep times until I hit a functional wall (this tends to be after a day or two with under an hour of sleep), then will crash & sleep 6-8 hours.
2024-06-22 01:16:12 <[Petros]    > but what does this have to do with apnea? It seems to me it has to do with circadiam cycle?
2024-06-22 01:16:28 <[Petros]    > *circadian
2024-06-22 01:17:05 <[Petros]    > like when your body feels it's nighttime basically and that it should shut off and rest
2024-06-22 01:17:12 <crc         > severe apnea can wake you up, preventing entering the deeper parts of the sleep cycle
2024-06-22 01:17:34 <[Petros]    > yes but we're talking of going to bed really late
2024-06-22 01:17:43 <[Petros]    > and waking up after like 3-4 hours
2024-06-22 01:17:50 <[Petros]    > not like waking up during sleep
2024-06-22 01:18:18 <[Petros]    > or not knowingly waking up during sleep at least
2024-06-22 01:18:21 <crc         > The time I go to bed doesn't really matter. I often lie awake in a dark room for hours
2024-06-22 01:19:16 <crc         > its frustrating because even when I'm exhausted actually getting to sleep is elusive :(
2024-06-22 01:19:20 <[Petros]    > hmm could that basically be insomnia?
2024-06-22 01:19:34 <[Petros]    > not apnea related
2024-06-22 01:20:45 <[Petros]    > plus do you drink lots of coffees/cafeine?
2024-06-22 01:20:55 <crc         > maybe. I definitely have apnea though, which doesn't help. If I do wake up fully from an apnea event, getting back to sleep sometimes doesn't happen, and can take hours when I'm able to
2024-06-22 01:20:58 <[Petros]    > that could keep you awake too
2024-06-22 01:23:32 <crc         > I like tea, but only drink it in the morning on occasion (this would be around 5:30-6:00, so by the time I go to bed the residual caffeine amount is minimal
2024-06-22 01:24:35 <[Petros]    > I can drink coffee and go straight to bed...
2024-06-22 01:24:39 <[Petros]    > no probs there...
2024-06-22 01:29:32 <crc         > I've not noticed any significant difference in my sleep regardless of caffeine, but it does slightly increase my blood glucose levels, which is my main reason for mostly avoiding it
2024-06-22 01:33:52 <dozens      > i went cold turkey on caffeine 7 or 8 years ago. i sleep so much better now without it. and wake up so much easier without it.
2024-06-22 01:34:33 <dozens      > i too was a drink coffee all day and go straight to bed person. never thought it effected me until i quit it.
2024-06-22 01:39:30 <crc         > I like tea too much to completely stop, but I'm down to one cup a week now
2024-06-22 01:39:54 <dozens      > that is very little tea!
2024-06-22 01:40:05 <dozens      > i still drink a lot of tea and coffee, both. but all decaf.
2024-06-22 01:44:08 <crc         > I might try doing decaf coffee
2024-06-22 02:08:04 <[Petros]    > decaf is actually dangerous
2024-06-22 02:08:33 <[Petros]    > due to the process used to remove the caffeine
2024-06-22 03:18:50 <crc         >  Looking at the processes, I think I'd be ok with either the CO2 or swiss water processing methods.
2024-06-22 13:33:24 <[Petros]    > hi
2024-06-22 15:18:46 <crc         > good morning
2024-06-22 15:19:48 <[Petros]    > hey crc
2024-06-22 15:19:57 <[Petros]    > guess what
2024-06-22 15:20:19 <[Petros]    > slept from 05:00 to 13:00 now what about that?
2024-06-22 15:20:19 <[Petros]    > :P
2024-06-22 15:20:30 <crc         > Nice :)
2024-06-22 15:20:30 <[Petros]    > weekend
2024-06-22 15:20:48 <[Petros]    > well they woke me up a couple of times due to noise
2024-06-22 15:20:52 <[Petros]    > but hey
2024-06-22 15:21:45 <[Petros]    > tomorrow heading to the beach for the first summer swim...it's really hot here already
2024-06-22 15:23:55 <[Petros]    > like 37C
2024-06-22 15:24:42 <crc         > 31C here at present (09:24), supposed to get up to 36C later today
2024-06-22 15:24:50 <[Petros]    > and it's still June...
2024-06-22 15:25:18 <crc         > yeah :(
2024-06-22 15:25:20 <[Petros]    > crc where's that
2024-06-22 15:25:22 <crc         > 
ACTION hates summer

2024-06-22 15:25:36 <crc         > just outside Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA
2024-06-22 15:25:40 <[Petros]    > i see
2024-06-22 15:26:02 <[Petros]    > didn't know you get temps up to like 36-37C over there
2024-06-22 15:26:22 <[Petros]    > thought it gets up to like 32C
2024-06-22 15:26:43 <[Petros]    > we get up to like 43C here...
2024-06-22 15:26:53 <[Petros]    > thankfully not all the time
2024-06-22 15:26:55 <crc         > normally it's only later in the year (late July - early August tends to be the hottest part of the year here)
2024-06-22 15:27:08 <[Petros]    > but like 38C is now normal in the last years
2024-06-22 15:27:22 <[Petros]    > August is the hottest here too
2024-06-22 15:27:34 <[Petros]    > but we have 37C already
2024-06-22 15:27:57 <[Petros]    > here is greece btw
2024-06-22 15:34:12 <crc         > 
ACTION like temperatures between 3-24C; I'm thankful that it seldom gets higher than upper 30's here

2024-06-22 15:37:38 <[Petros]    > hmm
2024-06-22 15:37:52 <[Petros]    > i prefer 12C upwards
2024-06-22 15:38:12 <[Petros]    > some rain too
2024-06-22 15:38:15 <crc         > at some point I'm going to build a little weather station to record conditions (temp, humidity, barometric pressure, etc) for later analysis
2024-06-22 15:38:23 <[Petros]    > :P
2024-06-22 15:38:27 <crc         > I like rain, if it's not hot enough to make it humid
2024-06-22 15:39:04 <crc         > and 12C is fine. I used to prefer a colder range; as I get older it's been slowly shifting towards a higher baseline.
2024-06-22 15:39:45 <[Petros]    > but don't you get like -20C over there in the states?
2024-06-22 15:40:13 <crc         > (when I was younger, I didn't mind temps as low as -18C, now I find that unpleasant)
2024-06-22 15:40:16 <[Petros]    > dunno what Philly's like
2024-06-22 15:40:19 <crc         > yes, but not often
2024-06-22 15:40:44 <[Petros]    > where's that ? midwest?
2024-06-22 15:40:52 <[Petros]    > the cold winters?
2024-06-22 15:40:56 <crc         > further north it gets considerably colder in the winter; we are normally not in the negatives
2024-06-22 15:41:37 <crc         > midwest gets much, much colder
2024-06-22 15:41:38 <[Petros]    > yep as you go near canada i guess
2024-06-22 15:43:15 <crc         > (my sister used to live in the midwest, and she'd have some days around to -30C)
2024-06-22 15:43:34 <[Petros]    > whereabouts?
2024-06-22 15:48:06 <crc         > Near Chicago, Illinois
2024-06-22 15:50:32 <[Petros]    > hmm